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The Great SyFy Rewatch: Day 45

Day 45 / 234 Days Until I Ship

Today was "Be All My Sins Remember'd" thru "Harmony."


First of all, "Be All My Sins Remember'd" has to be one of the worst titles for an episode ever, but it is a pretty amazing one. I mean they destroy the replicators, and special effects aside, you get this whole alliance thing we never really got to see in SG1, and you have them working with the Wraith and Rodney being a mad genius again and that moment near the beginning when Ellis chews Rodney out then Sam chews Ellis out, like Elizabeth never would've done. Plus, Teyla finally admits to being pregnant (no one believes you're "only" three months, sweetheart) and John's (rather justifiable) reaction and then Ronon who just accepts it than takes her hand and walks her to the infirmary.

Maybe I just say squee for the entire episode and be done with it. SQUEE.

"Spoils of War" soildifies Todd's image as the most Machiavellian of all Wraith, and well, besides the creepy factor of Wraith reproduction it's an all-round solid episode. And Lorne talking with Teyla about his sister's kids? That was nine kinds of adorable.

"Quarantine" is an episode I both love and hate. Love, because everyone is just so in character and you have Zelenka and his pidgeons and crawling through vents muttering in Czech, and you have John free climbing the central spire and, well, just general asomeness. But then you have Rodney, who you kinda get the feeling is being made fun of the entire time but you can't really hate because well, this is what Rodney does, and, well, I'm just glad to see Katie Brown go. (Though, on that note, I actually kinda like Keller in this episode until she starts whining about how hard she had it growing up. I mean, come on, it's more or less the life story of all the other scientists on base. Get over it.)

And "Harmony"? Well, I love the banter, and I love Rodney's comment that the princess is more mature than most the usual people John "goes for," but I'm largely ambiviolent about the episode. Though the idea of minidrones are cool.

Random thoughts include: 1) More squee for "Be All My Sins Remember'd." Though they just should've left Elizabeth dead, 'cause the digital ascension arc holds nothing for me. 2) Larrin. God. At least she's less psycho in this episode. 3) Ah, Todd. I miss him already. 4) If they're billed as main cast they should be in all episodes. Just saying. 5) I think John shooting the Wraith Queen and saving Teyla and Torren like that is the reason Teyla gives her son "John" as a middle name. 'Cause Rodney may have delivered him, but John, well, saved his life right then. 6) All things considered, John's concern for Teyla strikes me far more as concerned for the person I think of as my sister than concern for my lover/someone I'd like to be my lover, but I may have jade glasses here. 7) Harmony is almost 14 in her eponymous episode. In my 'verse, I have Nicolaa being barely 14 when she and then 20 year old Iohannes get together. I realized this during the middle of the episode and had such a tremendous moment of squick that I almost had to pause the episode. Because it really hit home then. 8) Writing conversations between emotionally retarded people is hard. And difficult. At least, it is when you try to make them talk about emotions. God, I can see why people resort to sex!pollen in fics so often now.
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I think "Be all my sins remember'd" is a quote from something like Shakespeare or the Bible, maybe? I forget. It's a cool-sounding title, but I don't think it really fits the episode except maybe in the way that both the Wraith and the Replicators are some of the Ancients' sins to be remembered.

Thank you for pointing out that John's reaction to Teyla's announcement of her pregnancy (three months late at least) is very justifiable. Too much of fandom is all down on him for that reaction, and I think they forget just how responsible he feels for his people, and that any medical condition they have he needs to know about as their commander.

I kind of love Quarantine for the free-climbing bit of awesomeness, though my height phobia almost made me not look the first time.

I think you might be right about why Torren's middle name is John; I think Teyla's always felt very close to him in a sisterly sort of way, as you point out, and, well, this may be shallow, but 'Torren Rodney' just sounds dumb. The other thing I feel about this ep is that fandom was constantly going, 'But didn't Teyla say her father's name was Tagan?' and not thinking that, gee, perhaps the Athosians are a matrilineal society, or girls are named for their mothers, and Tagan was probably her mom's name.

But, yes. Agree completely on the other parts!
it's the last line of Hamlet's famous soliquy. It works in that sense, but is a bit of an overkill. Though, to be honest, I always thought it had more to do with Elizabeth's being not-dead. Though why, IDK.

The way I see it is, okay, maybe John went about it the wrong way - said congrats maybe before getting mad - but that's just who John is. And, plus, if she's so concerned about what being stunned might do to the baby, she shouldn't put herself in stun-possible situations. Just saying.

Ah, but if Torren had been a girl "Meredith" would've been a great middle name. And "Torren Rodney" does sound awful. Though I think the producers did come down and say Tagan was her mom's name.

Yawn. I'd squee some more, but I'm tired. Just looking at your icon makes me more sleepy. Not enough to go to bed, just... tired.
Yeah, me, too; that's why I'm letting Joe squee for me. Clearly, he has energy to spare.

Exactly. I think John was mad at her because she not only put herself (and the baby) in unsafe situations, she let him do that without giving him the option not to include her. And we all know what a control freak John can be, particularly about the safety of his friends and people he feels responsible for.

And on that note, I am winding my way down to bed. Not quite there yet, but I suspect I won't last much longer. 'Course, that could be this darn cold I've had for several days now, tiring me out early...
John and his control issues. (Hmmm. You may have solved an issues I've been having with that comment. Thanks.)

You've a cold? Is it wrong of me to want to call you lucky? 'Cause the heat index here is 110 degrees and just looking at the word "cold" makes me jealous.
Oh, cool! Glad I could help!

Hrm, well, since I'm (hopefully) almost over my cold, I suppose that's okay. ;)
The next chappie of "Fradator" is giving me headache, but, yes, it's helping. God. Why do things that always play out so well in my head turn out to be such pains to write?
I think it's because you like them so much in your head that it's frustrating when the words don't seem to come together as well on paper, as it were, as the images did in your head. But, yay for possible chapter soon. Hopefully your headache-inducing frustrations will iron out.
possibly soon. Right now I'm still trying to make it coherant and am fast moving into the delete everything mindset. So we'll see.
...when Ellis chews Rodney out then Sam chews Ellis out, like Elizabeth never would've done.

YES. Oh, I love this moment so much. Because Ellis did cross a line, way to keep things professional, dude. It always struck me as a sort of schoolyard bully thing to do - he's not doing as I say/agreeing with me so I'm going to resort to calling him names or insulting his manhood to get my way. Great respect for Sam in that scene, though.

John's (rather justifiable) reaction

YES. Thank you, thank you for pointing that out, it really angers me how everyone comes down on John for yelling at Teyla. I mean, he could have said congratulations first, but put yourself in his shoes - someone you care about, whether you believe it's as a lover or a sister/friend way, has just put themselves and their unborn baby in danger. And they didn't tell you. She becomes a liability. I would be *furious* and scared. And John? Would have totally blamed himself if Teyla had lost her baby, her choice to tag along, his lack of knowledge about the pregnancy or not.

But then you have Rodney, who you kinda get the feeling is being made fun of the entire time...

Rodney's always the butt of the jokes :P

I think what I love most about Harmony is that it's a John & Rodney episode. Like The Defiant One, it's the two of them going on adventures together ;)

6) All things considered, John's concern for Teyla strikes me far more as concerned for the person I think of as my sister than concern for my lover/someone I'd like to be my lover, but I may have jade glasses here.

*nod* I get that feel too. Overall there is very, very little evidence for John/Teyla - we get "he cares for you more than you know", and Teyla's comments in Sunday, and then that date!dream in season five. Everything else just feels like the same kind of concern John would have for any member of his team.

7) Harmony is almost 14 in her eponymous episode... a tremendous moment of squick that I almost had to pause the episode. Because it really hit home then.

Um, yeah. *feels uncomfortable at the thought* Wow.
John so would've blamed himself if she lost the baby. The blame would've been epic. Granted, it still would've been epic if she'd lost it after he knew, but if she lost it before... well, it would've been more epic.

Granted, John might've gone about it the wrong way when he found out about Teyla's pregancy, but this is John we're talking about. For him to gone about it any other way, he'd have to have gone very out of character.

And I know Rodney's always the butt of jokes, but... IDK. It seems a little overboard here. Le sigh.

6) Oh, I think he cares for her "more than she knows," but mostly because John cares for everyone more than they know. It's like his secret superpower. But in a sisterly way.

7) This is, honestly, what I get for making a timeline without paying attention to the implications. By the time I realized the age difference, and the ages they'd have to be to fit in with all the other "caonized" stuff of the story, I was too locked in to be able to change it - at least, not without going back through 100,000 words of fic to retcon everything.

The only positive side to it is that I have a wonderful story idea for how everyone finds out about this little fact, I just have to wait a few more "episodes" to get there. God.
Granted, John might've gone about it the wrong way when he found out about Teyla's pregancy, but this is John we're talking about. For him to gone about it any other way, he'd have to have gone very out of character.

Yeah, I really can't see him taking the news any other way, especially since he found out just after they returned from a mission.

And I know Rodney's always the butt of jokes, but... IDK. It seems a little overboard here. Le sigh.

*nod* I get that. The episode "Trio" stomps all over my embarrassment squick. I spend the entire episode feeling massively uncomfortable for Rodney.

6) Oh, I think he cares for her "more than she knows," but mostly because John cares for everyone more than they know. It's like his secret superpower. But in a sisterly way.

I like this idea that John cares more than everyone knows, because he's so emotionally constipated :P

The only positive side to it is that I have a wonderful story idea for how everyone finds out about this little fact, I just have to wait a few more "episodes" to get there. God.

I gotta say I'm nervous about everyone else finding out. Because in our culture it's a huge no-no and I don't want anyone going "Pedophile!"
6) John's emotional constipation is giving me fits today. This week. With all my recent writing attempts. I know I bring it on myself, but, God, it's impossible. How do men live like that?

It should be interesting, everyone finding out, but we've still not reached the part where John's comfortable talking about Before, so we've some time yet.

Yeah. Part of my relutance to watch SGA today (as RL has been a bitch and I kinda really want to get this chappie finshed already) has been because "Trio" is almost-next on the rotation. And the only reason I find "Trio" tolerable is because a missing scene confirms the Sam/Jack, which is cool only in that the producers finally got over their will they/won't they thing.
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