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The Great SyFy Rewatch: Day 31

Day 31 / 252 Days Until I Ship

Today's selections were "The Tower" thru "Coup D'etat."



God, I'm tired. RL intervened in my watching of SGA again by way of my second DEP meeting, which required me leaving at 1pm for a 3:30pm meeting that lasted until 7pm - and meant I didn't get home til almost 9pm. Which isn't to say that the meeting itself wasn't all that bad, only that god, of the 23 people who were supposed to show up, only 15 did, and two dropped out - as in, 1 "decomissioned" from the Navy 30 days before he was supposed to ship, and another got kicked out for smoking pot. And I am the only female shiping out of this recruiting station at the moment, so that was exciting.

But onto the rewatch: "The Tower" is an epsiode I could personally do without, but it is interesting social commentary. "The Long Goodbye" is another one I could do without, save for the interesting insights into Caldwell's character, especially post-goa'uld, and the interesting tidbit that John, apparently, is a romantic. Granted, I can't see under what circumstances the military commander of a base would be asked/allowed to have a conciousness imprinted even temporarily upon by an alien entity, by still. Interesting to see Elizabeth be BAMF for an episode. But "Coup D'etat" is one that I do rather like, if only because we finally get some resolution about the Genii, and because Lorne's "death" just pulls at my heartstrings.

Random thoughts: 1) S2 is the kissing seasons. Everyone seems to kiss everybody. Rodney kisses Katie Brown and Carson. John kisses Teer and that princess from "The Tower" and Teyla and Elizabeth. And I can't think of anyone else now but, god, that's a lot considering the relative derth of such things in S1. 2) I seriously don't think an episode like "The Tower" could ever happen, given the likelihood of the exact gene needed evolving on a planet without Ancestor intervention/interbreeding. But whatever. It's possible. 3) I was in the middle of a wonderful 1000+ words in <1hr writing spree pre-DEP meeting, but now I'm so tired I'm having trouble picking up the thread. God. RL. 4) Lorne's reaction to John's "rescue"? Wonderful. 5) Ditto on John's you're just saying that to be nice convo with Ladon in that same episode. 6) I don't really have a 6, except to say that, for all the time I've spent writing S2 fic, I ]really don't care for much of it, and most of it doesn't fit into my personal canon. Which is odd, considering, for all I like SGA better than SG1, there are a lot more episodes I don't like in the former as compared to the latter.



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Yeah, I'm not to fond of the latter half of s2 either. I'm not fond of Elizabeth, so an episode focused on her is mostly kind of boring - it feels like an attempt to actually use the character for something. I do find it interesting that Thalen says John cares for Teyla more than she knows, and they cut to Rodney's face.

I do like Caldwell's parts in the episode, even if he is an ass to Rodney. It's interesting to see him feeling so defensive, and Rodney's reaction to his defensive responses.
Caldwell is definately one of the secondary characters who makes the series great. Especially in this episode, when he's actuing actually militarily.

As for Elizabeth... I've come to the conclusion that I like the idea of her a lot more than I actually </i>like</i> her, as if her death and the manner in which is occurs colours all that she ever did and therefore gives the characters (and us) an idealized view of her with which to compare to everyone else who may hold her position.

God, I'm tired.
*nod* Caldwell's definitely an interesting character!

I've come to the conclusion that I like the idea of her a lot more than I actually like her

Ooo, that's an excellent way to put it. I like the idea of a strong woman being in charge, and I could see why they put a diplomat in charge (at least in the beginning, before they learned of the Wraith). But the execution of the character left much to be desired.

:( Good luck catching up on sleep!
Sleep has been too much caught up upon. Now I cannot get the thoughts in my head to slow down to a more managable level.

Ah, Elizabeth. What really else *can* be said about her?
Oh man, that sucks. I've been hit with a severe case of the lazy. I keep looking at my inbox and telling myself I need to respond to comments, but...too lazy.

Not much else, IMO. Unless you happen across a fan of her - they probably have lots to say.
Yeah. I'm trying to write and it's just like... not happening. Despite being happy with everything I wrote this afternoon, I am now currently in a delete-everything mode.

And I suppose you're right. Though how many true Elizabeth fans are out there?
I have your fic up XD I have this method to my reading - I read all the non-SGA first, and then I spend the rest of the night devouring SGA. So it'll be awhile yet before I get to your latest installment, but I am SO. EXCITED.

Well, there are the people who ship her with John or Rodney...or Lorne. Or Jack and Cam. *has seen all these*

I think out of the ones named, the Sparky (John/Elizabeth) shippers are the biggest, but I have no idea how big of a ship that is. I don't really pay attention to the het side of things.
*Grins* Good. Some feedback might help me with the next chappie.

I don't mind the het ships in SGA, its just most of them are a lot less interesting. Or believable. It's all about character interaction for me, the ships, and usually very little to do with whether they're het or slash or canon or popular in the fandom.
I hope I help you out then :)

As long as the fic has McShep, I will read anything as a secondary pairing. I meant the Sparky and Elizabeth/Jack-or-Cam-or-Lorne more as a major pairing in the story. For me, it's McShep or gen. (Well, gen that focuses on John and Rodney.) I really, really adore John and Rodney's relationship on the show, romantic or just friendly. Nothing else gets to me emotionally.
For SGA, McShep is the only ship I can really see myself. And while I could possibly see Elizabeth/John or even Elizabeth/Lorne, I cannot in anyway see her shipped with Jack or Cam. I just can't.
I can see Elizabeth/John in a one-sided context - some of Elizabeth's actions and the way she looks at John makes me think she's has feelings for him. But honestly, if I had to pick a female John possibly had feelings for, it'd be Teyla - and even then, everything that I see as a basis for that ship could be argued that he reacted that way because she's Team, and thus family.

Really, McShep is the only one that stood out to me. John would do anything for Teyla and Ronon, but Rodney...*shakes head*
Yeah. There are times - especially in S2 - when I think Elizabeth might have more-than-friendly feelings for John, but we've never really gotten any hint of the same from him.

Ditto for all the Teyla stuff. He'd do anything for her, but only in the you're kinda like my sister sense.

I think what people ship - at least, when it comes to the less "obivous" ships - is very telling. Kinda like indexing your own book.
Yeah. There are times - especially in S2 - when I think Elizabeth might have more-than-friendly feelings for John, but we've never really gotten any hint of the same from him.

*nod* Exactly.

Ditto for all the Teyla stuff. He'd do anything for her, but only in the "you're kinda like my sister" sense.

That was always my interpretation of their relationship. Of course, people could argue about that kiss when John was turning into a bug - he was acting on his desires due to his self-control disappearing and so on - but you could also explain that he was mutating into the bug the Wraith mutated from, and Teyla has Wraith DNA - so it could be a matter of like calling to like. I was pretty shocked when the SGA novels went in the John/Teyla direction.

I think what people ship - at least, when it comes to the less "obivous" ships - is very telling. Kinda like indexing your own book.

It'd be fascinating to know how you interpret what their ships tell :P
The novels go that direction? Now I know never to read them, at least. I don't even *want* to know how they explain Torren. - Though, on an interesting note, the ST:ENT novels are very Trip/T'Pol, and in the last one Conner Trinner's character goes by the alias Michael Kenmore.

Though the last thing I'll say on the matter is: Wriaths have to spawn somehow. 1 guy turing into a Wraith-like thing + 1 woman with Wraith DNA = a pretty obvious instinctual reaction, if you're a Wraith. (And I think I've succeded in creeping myself out. Wraith sex has to be worse than Asgard sex.)

And ships are kinda easy to interpret. You take the main character and, whomever they're paired with, that's the kind of person the reader generally wants to be like/sees him/herself as.
They don't go into that direction until they pick up where S5 left off. In the first book, Atlantis gets back to Pegasus and then Rodney is kidnapped by the Wraith. While he's missing, Kanaan tells Teyla that he knows her heart belongs with "someone else", and then I think he and Torren go to live with the Athosians? Or maybe Kanaan hands Torren over to Teyla and leaves. IDK. And meanwhile, the Wraith play with Rodney's DNA and turn *him* into a Wraith and wipe his memories, so Rodney believes he's a True Wraith. Teyla and John hook up while Rodney's missing. I was so disgusted with everything I quit reading, tbh.

D: Thinking about Wraith sex is horrifying. I will never understand all the John/Todd fics. Todd is an awesome character, but no. Not ever.

...a pretty obvious instinctual reaction, if you're a Wraith.

That was my reaction too.

You take the main character and, whomever they're paired with, that's the kind of person the reader generally wants to be like/sees him/herself as.

Excellent point!
Gah! Mind blech! I must erase that minimal knowledge of SGA fic from my brain.

Todd is aswsome, but John/Todd is just creepy. The idea of it just makes my skin crawl.

Excellent point!

My genius knows no bounds. :)
I really, really wish I could erase some of the SGA fic I've stumbled across (as well as the plot the novels). It's always the disgusting things that stick with me longest :(

The idea of it just makes my skin crawl.

AGREED. It makes me sick to my stomach.

My genius knows no bounds. :)

Indeed.
Oh, I agree with you on the whole fic-front. (And some cannon SyFy. The VOY episode "Threshold" still occasionally gives me quivers. It was *very* skin-crawly the first time I saw it, around age 10 or so)

Though I *do* suppose I could see how someone might construe Todd's side of things to be creepy Wraith courtship. Of course, the fact that he continues "persuing" after all the times John shoots him/leaves him to die/etc only furthers the creepiness.
That just makes me want to watch the VOY episode out of curiosity. But yes, if only we could forget some of the more horrible things we've read/seen.

It definitely takes a fucked up pairing and makes it more fucked up. Also this conversation about Wraith/Human sex is giving me flashbacks.
I'm so sorry. *waves frantically trying to stop the flashbacks*

And never, ever watch that VOY episode. Everyone - including the actors - hates it. Bacially though the premise is that, in trying to get back to Earth, they try to build a warp drive that can go past the warp 10 barrier - but doing so turns out to devolve the people inside into slug-like creatures. The end result is the captain and the pilot have creepy slug sex and a slug babies (that they later abandon) before being restored back to normal.

Recounting that may have resurfaced latent childhood scars.
I'll just have to read some nice John/Rodney to clear the images :) Woe is me ;)

oh
my
god

that was the plot?

...nevermind. I don't need those images.
That was the plot. Like I said, the images were... tramatic for a 10-ish year old. All I can say is, at least there were no visuals on the slug!sex.

Then again, nothing about VOY ever made much sense.
I bet those images were traumatic for a 10-ish year old. Thank god there's no visuals on the slug!sex.
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